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GERMINO OR METRO?

Postby tj2417 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:08 pm

I looking for the early 68 marshall tone. not sure of what to go with.
germino 100 or the metro 68.
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Postby 908ssp » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:13 pm

Metro all the way. How wants and amp named "little germ" in Italian?

No really no corners cut with the Metro.
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Postby Roe » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:57 pm

both will be fine. greg's headroom 100 is based on a 69, but I guess he can use the 1968 specs also
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Postby NitroLiq » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:26 pm

Actually there are a couple variations on the Headroom 100...one is more '69 the other is more 67/68. Couldn't go wrong with either company. Both are good guys and both offer quality products.
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Postby jester » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:43 pm

Germino is a bit stronger tone all around, metro I would consider a slightly modern vintage type, probably the most saught after among todays player anyway.
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Postby VelvetGeorge » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:59 pm

Slightly modern? OUCH! That's not what I'm aiming for.

I agree that you can't go wrong. Greg is as good a guy as I've had the pleasure to meet. If you spend a little time explaining what you want, he'll nail it.

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Postby St August » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:15 pm

jester wrote:Germino is a bit stronger tone all around, metro I would consider a slightly modern vintage type, probably the most saught after among todays player anyway.


HUH? :roll:
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Postby NitroLiq » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:17 pm

I've spoken to Greg a few times about the amp mentioned (he had it at the last NY ampshow) and in a nutshell he told me there's nothing secret about it as you can see from the photos on his site...it's a 67/68 styled circuit with the separate pwr board...he just tweaks the components closer to 69 or to 67/68 specs...depending on what a person wants. I'm sure George does the same thing. Greg gave more credit to the 20w heritage greenbacks in the 4 x 12" he ran it through more than anything else....of course, you could only get the vol. to like 5 or so before they started crapping out.

I've never heard of George's stuff being referred to as Modern Vintage...his JTM45/100 stack is as classic as it gets and good Lord...if you need any metro convincing, go look up that 71 50w clip on youtube....chunkiest, chewiest amp I've heard in awhile....makes me want to bust out UFO's "Rock bottom"!
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Postby Billy Batz » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:13 pm

St August wrote:
jester wrote:Germino is a bit stronger tone all around, metro I would consider a slightly modern vintage type, probably the most saught after among todays player anyway.


HUH? :roll:


I dont get either part of that?

I highly doubt anyone out there can do it better but being that all George does is use the best parts he can in the most accurate way its nothing other guys cant do also so Im sure Gregs amps are awesome too. As are Wallace's, Blockheads..... So how to make a decision? I have no clue. I like Metro for obvious reasons- I love building amps.
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Postby jester » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:32 pm

what I am trying to convey is the germino sounds more like the recorded old school vintage marshalls with more teeth on top, the metro amps are vintage but I want to say more glassy on the top end!
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Postby thousandshirts » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:56 pm

jester wrote:what I am trying to convey is the germino sounds more like the recorded old school vintage marshalls with more teeth on top, the metro amps are vintage but I want to say more glassy on the top end!


Huh?

Do you OWN amps from BOTH companies?

Even if you own ONE amp from EACH, that doesn't begin to let you draw a BLANKET STATEMENT and GENERALIZE so broadly. Each company offers a WIDE VARIETY of amplification products.

Or is it MP3 soundclips that let you draw these conclusions? Now THAT would be a laugh.

You come across as being A.) Deliberately misleading or B.) Incoherent.

Either way, you are failing to live up to the obligations of communicative rationality. In other words, YOU ABUSE THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND THOSE WHO HOPE TO USE IT PRODUCTIVELY.

People who fly in and make BIASED and UNSUPPORTED commentaries should EXPECT to see people respond like this. There ought to be a corner chair somewhere with your name on it.

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Postby Billy Batz » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:54 pm

I guess everyone hears different. If there were any extra glass on any of my Metro supplied amps I wouldve only ever had one. Ive actually thought of metros as pretty dark sounding for marshall clones. I hate bright or harsh amps. Like 1000shirts said who knows the metro in question anyway, if it had mercury tranys in it Ive found those amps pretty damn glassy but they can be made to order. Ive actually sold an awesome real vintage Marshall since building Metros. Granted most are not entirely metro but Ill take his components in non Metro spots anyday.

No opinion is censured here but I give everyone the benefit and dont assume their posts are supposition passed off as experience as the previous post implies.
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Postby VelvetGeorge » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:01 pm

I take Jester's opinion as sincere. I was just surprised by it. No worries.

I have played both mine and Greg's amps back to back in NJ last fall. I understand what he may have meant by stronger tone. Greg's stayed a little tighter a little longer IMO. Not a better or worse type of thing, just a matter of personal preference and playing style.

As for strident highs, I focus a lot on avoiding them.

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Postby bluze81 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:29 pm

Aww man does this mean I have to go back and and change the tone sections of all my Metro builds :roll: sheezz Metros are more modern sounding! LOL :lol: in all truth I guess everybody hears a bit different and I can respect that..
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Postby NitroLiq » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:05 am

George, that amp had higher filtering than what's on the typical layout so perhaps Jester just likes a stiffer sounding amp. I can hear it as I prefer that myself with the plexis...not harsh or brittle, just tight. I mentioned it before but your 50w video nails it as far as I'm concerned. The JTMs I like a little looser.
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